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LAYTON -- The smoke has cleared and lawmakers are now mulling over the best way to police fireworks in the state of Utah. The 2011 summer season was...
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- Aline Julie Dodge likes this.
Jennifer J Neil as am I2 hours ago ·
Courtney White II personally like the new fireworks law. people who put them off late at night are a problem, but we have sound ordnance laws for that. I sat and talked to a fireworks vendor reciently, and he claimed that the new laws were a boom to his business. I'd hate to take that away from these people.2 hours ago ·- Jennifer J Neil and dog psychiatry is quickly becoming the new booming business in town ... pffft! enough is enough we don't need to listen to battle-sounds 24/7 for over 30 days2 hours ago ·
- Courtney White Pfft! If we made laws to protect skittish dogs from everything that scared it, we'd be in a world of trouble. If anything we should have fireworks laws like Wyoming. Why should the state get between a buyer and a seller?about an hour ago ·
- Jennifer J Neil not just dogs ... small children and vets with PTSD who are crying and hiding now at every thunder-clap and car back-fire ... it's a real issue, and not all fun and games; nor is it to be made light of ...about an hour ago ·
- Rudi Zink Ill tel ya what, Courtney. I have a previously well-adjusted Malamute dog who kept me up all night trembling for one full month; and now she's suddenly scared shitless of any loud noises... like thunder. The full impact of the new law's revision will linger on. Fortunately I'm retired and don't have to show up for work in the morning; but I have massive sympathy for those folks who do have to do have to deal with that little problem of not getting to sleep for a month or more. What's wrong with people, I ask, who like to blow stuff up in the middle of the night? I know you subscribe to libertarian philosophy (as I do). I nevertheless believe that our laws should favor some orderliness in our society, and given my experience with the twits with blow-up devices over most of the month of July, I believe loud fireworks should be banned entirely.about an hour ago · · 1 person
- Courtney White I think people were overly excited this year, because of the novelty of the new law. I doubt well see as much activity next year. I'm sorry about your dog. I have no problem with the police ticketing people who light them off late at night, but I don't like having a prohibition on fireworks. It's just the principle of the matter.about an hour ago ·
Claudia Baird Maybe those that think fireworks are all fun and games should get out more and tour a hospital burn unit sometime shortly after the 4th of July.....about an hour ago · · 2 people
- Jennifer J Neil Courtney .. I have friends with PTSD who more than likely needed more medication to calm them, or even extra treatment .. treatment and meds which are difficult to get when needed, thanks to our current economy ... sad state of affairs all around
You enjoy fireworks, they have them at least 6 times at Lindquist Stadium during baseball season, plus the University, plus the Rodeo, plus the Stadium of Fire, not to mention Cherry Days (4thof July) in North Ogden and other Independence day celebrations around the county ... that should be enough .. I know it is more than enough for me.about an hour ago · · 1 person - Rudi Zink "It was almost like being in a war zone around here." Excatly right, Julie. Perhaps these teenage level of emotional development morons should join the Marine Corps and volunteer for a tour of Afghanistan, where they can blow up explosive devices to their little hearts' content. Sheesh.about an hour ago · · 1 person
- Jennifer J Neil @Aline -- and if you live in certain parts of Ogden, that would not be much different than any other night of the year, with all the gunfire in certain neighborhoods ... I have friends who live in such neighborhoods for whom gunfire is a nightly occurrence ...about an hour ago · · 1 person
- Aline Julie Dodge I have lived in Ogden for seven months now. Moved here from Wisconsin. I have heard about the certain areas in Ogden that are not so pleasant. I am fortunate to live in a good area. I enjoy fireworks don't get me wrong. I just enjoy the in moderation and controlled. My neighbor boy and his friend miss shot a firwork which smacked right into the neighbor house acrossed the street. At least they stopped shooting those.about an hour ago · · 1 person
- Jennifer J Neil Rudi Zink - one which many lawmakers seem to put on the back burner all too often ...about an hour ago ·
- Courtney White If you could prove that the fireworks damaged your property, ergo your dog or sanity, then I would agree with you. But if I'm out in the middle of nowhere lighting off fireworks I'm not hurting anyone. Instead of a state ban, let the municipalities regulate it.about an hour ago ·
Rosemary Hoffman Our neighbors, shooting off firecrackers in the street, managed to send debris clear over our house into the back yard and a weed-choked Hiline Canal behind it. I'm amazed that there weren't more fires than just the one above WSU. Yes, setting them off in the street is illegal, but how do you tell that to a group of 10+ adults and kids gathered together for their event. The police have enough to do without patrolling for fireworks violations.about an hour ago · · 2 people- Courtney White So, because the cops won't do their job.. We should make overreaching laws?about an hour ago ·
- Jennifer J Neil um .. Courtney .. we were talking about fireworks going off in towns and neighborhoods at all hours, all month long .. not out in the middle of nowhere .. and if you're taking fireworks out into the unincorporated areas around here, you present a bigger fire hazard than responsible people who light campfires ...
in case you didn't already know this: OPD is already underpaid, understaffed, and under-facilitated to take care of lower priority "crimes" or infractions ... and to ask them to enforce more ordinances is sort of like pulling teeth out of a newborn ..about an hour ago · - Rudi Zink The problem, Mr. White, is that so long as there are no prohibitions under state law, people will continue to believe that blasting off loud black powder devices at all hours is perfectly legal. This creates a situation where local police authorities are unable to enforce the local rules because the violations are so wide-spread as to make local law enforcement (in those local jurisdictions which do have prohibitions) impossible as a practical matter.about an hour ago · · 1 person
Cindy Simone I live just 2 blocks south of where the fire was behind WS. Was not a pleasant entire month wondering if our homes here were going to be still standing almost every day in July. They were even lighting them in the fields where dry grass was. I think they should ban them entirely except for a controlled display.about an hour ago ·- Cindy Simone Its not the big booms that bother me...it's the sparks & fires that follow that boom!about an hour ago ·
- Courtney White Then, shouldn't we better fund our police, instead of taking away the liberties of the citizens so the police can get by with less? And If I'm on MY land in an unincorporated area, And I start a fire, I am liable just like I would be in the city. Use existing sound laws, simple as that. If the police are picking what laws to endorse we have a bigger problem then fireworks!about an hour ago ·
- Courtney White I grew up in a wooded area myself. We worried about fires as well. We already have laws about where it's legal to light fireworks. The fire in north Ogden was started with a lighter. Should we ban lighters except for a few days a year?about an hour ago ·
- Cindy Simone Maybe they could just have a fireworks patrol. The city could even deputize them. They could go into neighborhoods & legally write tickets when there are problems. I think a few hefty fines & this problem would take care of itself??? Least the regular police could go out & do the calls they normally do without interruption.59 minutes ago ·
- Rudi Zink Then, shouldn't we better fund our police, instead of taking away the liberties of the citizens so the police can get by with less? " Here's my take, Mr, White. The libertarian philosophy presupposes that citizens will behave responsibly. In the real world however, many people don't. When unruly citizens behave in a manner that offends the peace and quiet of people who have to get a decent night's sleep before they go to work, their own personal liberties are thereby invaded. That's why even libertarians, (although not their philosophical cousins the "anarchists") subscribe to the philosophy that laws should be enacted to protect everyone's liberties. So which is it, Mr, White? Are you a libertarian... or an anarchist? Inquiring minds want to know.43 minutes ago ·
- Courtney White Where is there anarchy? I'm just saying that you let the local government regulate it. Because some people abuse alcohol, should we ban it except for special holidays?41 minutes ago ·
- Courtney White I wouldn't be opposed to a sound limit for our fireworks.. Most of the noise of a firework is added for effect.38 minutes ago ·
- Rudi Zink "Maybe they could just have a fireworks patrol." My take, Cindi, is that vigilante actions seldom work out well. Ask any professional cop. The worst situation possible is to have un-trained citizens attempting to play the role of police officers. When that happens, innocent people are inevitably hurt.33 minutes ago ·
- Cindy Simone We have very few professional cops left...most of them have retired. Perhaps they could train the citizens to know who is abusing the fireworks & who isn't? I went out many times & quietly asked people to knock of doing fireworks in the fields by my house & they did leave without argument. I didn't get hurt & either did they. I'm not trained either but I did put a stop to it.24 minutes ago ·
- Rudi Zink LOL, Cindi. You've been bouncing misbehaving miscreants @ the KOKOMO for decades, and have been in the bail bonds business for damn near as long... and you're trying to sell us on the proposition that you're just an average "untrained" citizen?16 minutes ago ·
